I really disagree with you in terms of Zaheer's battle intelligence, I think he's been shown to be a very smart fighter, he's very good at finding and exploiting holes in someone's defense, even when there's only a very slight window of opportunity. After the Red Lotus took the airbenders captive at Northern Air Temple, Kuvira traveled there in an attempt to free them. I can’t really say that I’ve seen Zaheer’s battle intelligence. She's got earthbending, so she can collapse the earthen pillars over Zaheer to keep him running. Yes this is a serious debate, but all uncivilized comments/threads/troll comments will be removed. After she's out of breath, he can attack from close distance and take her out, cause as you've already said, Zaheer's domain is hand to hand. Surprise suffocation. With the fate of Zaofu in the hands of this battle, it was one of the tensest ones in the series. limit my search to u/JAMESFAULKNERSS . Zaheer wins. General Kuvira 古維拉, Gǔ Wéi ... After being questioned by Aiwei and he being revealed to be in cahoots with Zaheer, Kuvira searched for him under direction from Lin Beifong. Yea, this would be very debatable if it was Zaheer w/Flight. During the climax of season 3, Korra was struggling against Zaheer and his use of mercury poison, and the avatar state was in dire peril. Answers with no follow up, or very little, reasoning given will be removed. Who wins? 0 comments. Kuvira Avatar Zaheer - Drone Fest. Press J to jump to the feed. But when does Kuvira ever go for finishing moves? Metalbending master, precision metalbending. Zaheer: Loses to all but puts up a fight vs Kuvira and Ozai at least. Zaheer easily dispatched of her and the other guard like it was nothing, and this was Pre-Flight Zaheer. Posted by 4 months ago. My problem with Kuvira is that she doesn't really have any big finishing moves, she uses fast and precise attacks, but small ones. Well first off, I don’t really like using plot as an excuse, but Book 3 was honestly used to hype the Red Lotus up as very powerful Benders. Zaheer doesn't really have big finishing moves either, but I think that he'll be able to hit Kuvira more often than she will hit him, not bending large objects hurts her defense as well, especially against air. report. report. Next, I’d like to state that the Kuvira we see now has had 3 more years of training and has developed her skills tremendously, even surpassing her master, Suyin Beifong. The whole time, Kuvira fought with a smirk. Still not an easy win for her though, since even without any sort of flight, Zaheer is a seriously formidable opponent. R2- Wu Long Forest (Zaheer has no Flight) (Comics feats allowed). So I'd say the question is, can Kuvira somehow defeat Zaheer before the fight takes too long? Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. User account menu. This implies that he was a deadly martial artist. In a Kuvira vs Zaher fight there'd be no logical reason for Kuvira to entertain the notion of taking the fight to the air (in the sense of using Earthbending to propel herself upward) where Zaheer can dodge everything around him by moving in literally any direction. It's not like he can simply blow her away like Korra did, since she had to use the AS. Idk. He just kept going with brute strength. Serious Debate. So Kuvira might manage to hit him once or twice, but they'll most likely not be big finishing moves. But suffocation requires a very high level of concentration, so if Zaheer gets hit by even one piece of metal while he is attempting to suffocate her, he would probably lose the entire round. Other than exploiting holes in her defense and taking her apart one hit at a time. Archived. Zaheer is very good at dodging and counterattacking, even without flight.So Kuvira might manage to hit him once or twice, but they'll most likely not be big finishing moves. The mech put up that good fight but all Team avatar needed was that opening and it was straight up, “Squad Up” rolling in for the kill. Kuvira vs Zaheer vs Amon Discussion in 'Cartoons and Anime Forum' started by BringIt, Sep 10, 2020. Bei ihrem ersten Auftritt in der Serie probte sie mit der Tanzgruppe für eine Aufführung. The only thing coming to my mind is, that if they both started on the canon, she would try to bend multiple parts of the canon immediately after the gong in a way, that the parts would be grabbing him or something like that so he wouldn't be able to espace before she actually gets too close, and bend the shit out of him. EoS. And his h2h has to be top notch from what Zuko said. Serious Debate. Excellent point. save. Make sure to subscribe so you don’t miss out. Discussion • No prep time • Distance 30ft away from eachother • In character. Close. If the comics are to continue their pattern of redeeming surviving villains then Zaheer would be the best target to focus on. Uhm i think this would be debatable post-flight. If anything, Zaheer has a nice, wide sky to retreat to or use to his advantage. Suyin did this once before, there's no reason why Kuvira can't. Be the first to share what you think! Lol, there’s a simple way out. share. Thing is, it is pretty difficult to pull of and since Zaheer would probably open with a quick blow, it would be hardly possible for her to concentrate enough on such difficult move. however he specializes in dodging, which is a great way to exhaust someone. Suscribanse porfavor :D Even Amon was no match for it. and maybe even Toph level or slightly above. Yeah Kuvira's brilliant both as a bender/gymnast/combatant and as a strategist. Kuvira probably wins both, but with Zaheer having flight would it become a rather long fight, with more opportunities for Kuvira to slip up. Just watched all of Kuvira’s fights just to make sure; Kuvira has only been hit by Airbending ONE entire time and that was vs Korra in the Colossus Cockpit because she was in mid air. I am a fan of technology, arts, and reading. Any other time he fought he had his gang to back him up. R2: Honestly, Zaheer takes this one 60/40. Amazing that the very first post for this sub would be these two legends. The problem from the last round is present though. Kuvira’s hand to hand is also pretty good but she focuses more on her Metalbending than she does her regular fighting skills. R1: No Sozin’s comet and Battle takes place at the fire nation capital. R2. R2 verdict: Kuvira takes 7 matches here. She’s had bending her whole life whereas Zaheer just gained Bending and hasn’t had much time to train the right way. Although, I’m not so sure I can agree with this. Sharp, clean, crisp attacks and lightfooted movements. hide. And to add to that, they are in the middle of an open field. And then strike. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. James Faulkner. Stage: Fight will take place at the testing site where Kuvira fought Suyin. Kuvira vs Zaheer. Then, it was Jinora who formulated the perfect plan. R2- Wu Long Forest (Zaheer has no Flight) (Comics feats allowed) 0 comments. hide. My justification: Just as easily as Kuvira can use her metal machine gun to shoot Zaheer down, Zaheer can use his raw airbending power to deflect the strips of metal before they connect to him. reddit.com u/JAMESFAULKNERSS. He also proves that his hand to hand is excellent by the way he incorporates it into his Airbending. karzahnii: Zaheer & co. in their younger years. When I think of Zaheer, I think of his relentless offense. The creator and the uniter. Plus, Earth and Metal make for a much better defense than just Air and dodging (and Kuvira’s an excellent dodger too). I’m about to go rewatch Zaheer’s fights just to make sure I’m not talking nonsense. save. Also, he has a high enough attack speed to keep up with Kuvira's, since one airbending blast from Zaheer is enough to get rid of several metal strips at a time. Concerning Bending, I’d give the edge to Kuvira. – Omar (1) Avatar Korra vs. Zaheer – … After that, Zaheer is effectively grounded, though he can use the earthen pillars to get around. I think she has a crazy amount of stamina, even being able to fight after taking hits from the Avatar State. Surprise suffocation is not a thing. 1,144 885. Airbending is just about every character’s weakness at this point. I believe Zaheer’s best chance is fighting at a distance. Yea, that’s basically what I said. 19. Okay, so Kuvira beats Zaheer without flight, and her Colossus rotflstomps him with flight and even P'li with Sozin's Comet. Both Zaheer and Kuvira are fascinating villains, but there are some ways that Zaheer is truly the best, and some why Kuvira is the ultimate villain. I have Kuvira 8/10 taking the cake. Both parties have effective, reliable counters to each others' moves, as outlined in my own argument. You don’t think Zaheer would stand a chance? I don’t think Kuvira has dodged an airstrike yet. | English; u/JAMESFAULKNERSS. The number one place on the internet to discuss fantasy battles between characters from the universe of Avatar: The Last Airbender and Avatar: The Legend of Korra! He can swiftly dodge for days. 7/10 for Kuvira. Kuvira and Korra fighting with A:TLA music: http://vimeo.com/111996344 Add new page It would probably catch Kurvira off guard. Also, what's with Kuvira letting her guard down in the middle of a fight against an opponent like Zaheer? They’re both pretty good at moving around and also controlling the battlefield. Update October 14th, 2020 by Louis Kemner: With The Legend of Korra back on Netflix, this universe is winning over many new fans, and they want to see the cool villains in action. I’m a writer living in USA. Zaheer could also just rush her, get in close and fight hand to hand, with which he definitely has the advantage. Durability is boosted by standard issue Zaofu armor. We use cookies on our websites for a number of purposes, including analytics and performance, functionality and advertising. The pioneer and the conquerer. Kuvira is also highly resistant to any airbending attack Zaheer has to offer. R2: Sozin’s comet is present and location in Republic city. This is something Zaheer wouldn't probably expect, so it should technically work. hide. She also uses neutral jin. My guess is, Zaheer would try to turn it into endurance fight, which he imo, can win, because of his superior physical abilities and his bending style. Zaheer vs Kuvira. Amon > Zaheer > Kuvira > Unalaq Amon being the clear leader, due to the very powerful ability to bloodbend without the aid of the full moon. Sep 10, 2020 #1. Discussion. Book 3 Zaheer vs Book 4 Kuvira Round 1: pre flight Zaheer Round 2: Flight enabled Bonus: Red Lotus gang, Amon and Unalaq vs … Press J to jump to the feed. Kuvira takes five, Zaheer takes five, with some slight variation here and there. not bending large objects hurts her defense as well, especially against air. but honestly outside of Zaheer getting very lucky are there not too many possibilities for this Zaheer if Kuvira don't acts completely idiotic. comments; Want to join? So what would make this time any different than the last time? But Zaheer’s no pushover either. I also take issue with round two. And since I can't think of any other way and this one still seems too hard even for Kuvira (her metalbending is great, but transforming an artillery piece into a limp-grabbing octous in a matter of seconds is a Top(h)-tier bending), my money would go on Zaheer. Probably not. Press J to jump to the feed. Posted by. There's no way suffocation can be used in an active fight. But honestly idk. R1- Outside ZaoFu. save. Kuvira has armor, Zaheer has flight. Zaheer vs Kuvira. Other than that, Kuvira had dodged every Air attack thrown her way by PTSD and non PTSD Korra (this excludes AS). I really disagree with you in terms of Zaheer's battle intelligence, I think he's been shown to be a very smart fighter, he's very good at finding and exploiting holes in someone's defense, even when there's only a very slight window of opportunity.Like if someone's attack leaves them open, then Zaheer will be able to dodge and counterattack at the same time. 2 KORRA VS ZAHEER top (suggested) no comments yet. Zaheer loses to Toph because he can't fly,but not quickly due to his agility. Even stating how Kuvira quickly rose through the ranks of her military in Zaofu. 4 Karma. Location: Desert in the Earth Empire. Woooo, Kuvira pointed her spirit gun more times than your favorite trap rapper doing gun signs in their video. R1: Kuvira takes this one 80/20. 3 Jinora: Planning Zaheer's Downfall. Kuvira has the stamina of a Probender, figuratively speaking, and they fight for like 15 minutes straight. R1 verdict: It's... actually a tie! He can basicaly be escaping her for as long as he wants even without flight. Also, if needs be, he can simply fly out of Kuvira's range. 100% Upvoted. Zaheer is pretty decent at dodging but if one, I repeat ONE, metal strip latches on to him, it’s over. Log in or sign up to leave a comment Log In Sign Up. He either gets bailed out by his teammates or he relentlessly attacks his opponents. Against Kya, she basically threw the fight for herself with her last move. Got the idea from a discussion on the r/TheLastAirbender sub. I’m also interested in writing and education. And Unalaq probably beats season 2 Katara,I only think Season 3 and beyond Katara can beat him My guess is, Zaheer would try to turn it into endurance fight, which he imo, can win, because of his superior physical abilities and his bending style. Kuvira did that against Korra in their first fight, but that's while Korra was 2 steps slower than usual, doesn't really count IMO.Zaheer did it all the time. 97. Uhm i think this would be debatable post-flight, but pre-flight Zaheer has not rly too much to offer. Zaheer doesn't really have big finishing moves either, but I think that he'll be able to hit Kuvira more often than she will hit him. Kuvira has never been hit by an air blast unless it came from the Avatar State or if she was in mid-air. I don’t think just because he’s an Airbender he specializes in dodging. Lmao, that would be a fucking awesome technique! Nothing is stopping Zaheer from just fleeing the cannon from the very start. In the end I'll give the fight to Zaheer, 7 out of 10. Kuvira has shown us countless times that she is a very smart fighter. She's got her metal machine gun, and Zaheer no longer has the sky to retreat to if he wants/needs it. We can see the difference in Kuvira from Book 3 to Kuvira in Book 4 who actually gave the Avatar trouble, beat her master, and took out multiple bandits like it was nothing. Would be a bad idea, imo, because Kuvira fights better at CQC than any other method. The technique only works on people who can't fight back. top (suggested) no comments yet. In hand to hand combat, I give it to Zaheer. Kuvira beats Zuko. Why try and use big finishing moves against an Airbender? Young Red Lotus/ P'li & Zaheer by Legend of Korra's Eugene ... Avatar: The Legend of Korra Image #2446842 - Zerochan Anime ... Golden Zaheer - The Legend of Korra Pin. Respectfully, Zaheer would need to hit her pretty hard with Air, and he doesn’t have any powerful air feats like Korra (who actually went into the Avatar State to blow Kuvira away) or Tenzin. More posts from the AvatarVsBattles community. Zaheer’s light on his feet and all, but Kuvira was able to sense Suyin when she was about to attack her in Operation Beifong (she was flying in the air with a piece of rock to hit Kuvira), so I don’t necessarily believe she would be oblivious to the movements in her area. report. As for finding a place to hide, I'm convinced that Kuvira would be able to discover said hiding place rather quickly, as she is fast enough to keep up with Zaheer to the point where he wouldn't be able to hide. Zaheer is very quick in his feet, and would likely find a place to hide in the first few seconds. Anyhow, too many things are working in Kuvira's favor to give Zaheer the majority of the wins here. He just kept going head first. Book 3 Zaheer vs Book 4 Kuvira. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Be the first to share what you think! On ground level, Kuvira has dodged every air attack ever thrown at her, PTSD and non PTSD Korra. Close. 5 years ago. He has high base power, and can attack fast enough to deflect Kuvira's metal strips as they come for him. I guess my tie breaker would be who’s more of a tactician. Her metal armor can deflect air especially well, and she can root herself to the ground to resist an airbending blast of any size. I don't really know how it would look. Are you sure about round one? He is a relatively good airbender with nice h2h, but that's pretty much it. I’m not saying Zaheer is on the same level of hand to hand as Korra and Su, and he does have Airbending to easily close any distance gaps, but neither of them could rush her down successfully. When he fought Tenzin, he didn’t even adapt to the situation. Kuvira's arm knife would cut though Toph like butter. I honestly cannot remember a time Zaheer has done this. No Morals. Log In Sign Up. The difference between this match and the last one is that Zaheer now needs to rely on his glider to get around, meaning that Kuvira now has a target that she can hit with her precise metal machine gun. With flight Zaheer has crazy mobility, but his flight is not faster than Kuvira's metal travels, and she has the reactions to bring all kinds of shields up before his attacks can reach her, without flight he is just a lesser bender, but it is still not a stomp because a forest is way better for Zaheer than for Kuvira. Zaheer doesn't have to dodge anything. Sharp, clean, crisp attacks and lightfooted movements. Kuvira, on the other hand, was acknowledged by Suyin to be very intelligent and a prodigy. Only the Avatar can bring balance. The only time I can remember Kuvira doing anything that resembled a finishing move was when she fought Korra the first time at Zaofu. It makes no sense. She would have to be either be (a) defenseless like the Earth Queen (b) poisoned like Korra for the suffocation thing to work. Same can be said for Kuvira also though. Kuvira will just stick to her regular game. Zaheer is pretty decent at dodging but if one, I repeat ONE, metal strip latches on to him, it’s over. 39 comments. Zaheer tried it once against Korra, and it didn't work out that well for him, even if Korra was severely weakened. Kuvira did that against Korra in their first fight, but that's while Korra was 2 steps slower than usual, doesn't really count IMO. 99% Upvoted. Zaheer can dodge things very well, but he can not keep up with Kuvira’s very precise level of metalbending. Book 3 only focused on the Airbenders, the Red Lotus, and Korra (naturally). No matter what, I think their fight would be pretty drawn out. No problem! I guess Zaheer would have more endurance. Has access to earthbending, though this isn't her strong suit, given that she almost always relies on metalbending to win the day. Rules: Zaheer can fly, Ozai is powered by the comet, and Kuvira can have her robot. Kuvira vs. Zaheer and Ozai. If its CQC on the cannon, then Zaheer is asking for it. Then, Kuvira has to rely on Earthbending and the metal she carries on her person which lowers the odds of Zaheer losing to metal. I’m not saying Zaheer won’t be able to tag her but he’ll really have to put some work in to do it and that requires exerting loads of energy. Log in or sign up to leave a comment Log In Sign Up. I think her light, clean attacks work better for her against an opponent like Zaheer. Zuko stated that any of the Red Lotus members could take down any Bender and this was before Zaheer gained Airbending. He would wait until Kurvira would let down her guard for a few seconds. Also, suffocation only works on defenseless opponents. The point is, both parties have effective counters to each other's moves. but pre-flight Zaheer has not rly much to offer. Subscribe please :) ¡Kya contra Zaheer en HD! Hmm, idk about this. Likewise, Zaheer could try to use his great airbending power to inflict damage on Kuvira, but she has her durability boosted by metal armor, and she can secure herself to the ground using earthbending. He is still an Airbending novice no matter how you look at it, but he’s still pretty good. You can read my blog with a click on the button above. Kuvira has never been hit by an air blast when it didn’t come from the Avatar State or when she wasn’t in mid-air. Korra had to go after Zaheer to put an end to him before the poison took her down. Thing is, it is pretty difficult to pull of and since Zaheer would probably open with a quick blow, it would be hardly possible for her to concentrate enough on such difficult move. Other than exploiting holes in her defense and taking her apart one hit at a time, Zaheer could also just rush her, get in close and fight hand to hand, with which he definitely has the advantage. If it's void Zaheer he beats Kuvira, Azula and Ozai, but loses/stalemates Unalaq. I can think of a couple instances for Zaheer, literally a couple, but I don’t see him winning a majority. Especially right off the bat? Zaheer needs to have full concentration. If they move to the open land below, it’ll mirror Kuvira vs Korra: Round 1. It’s widely accepted that Kuvira is LOK’s Azula and we all know how tactical Azula is whether it be in or out of battle. Even if she was unaware that Zaheer was moving in her vicinity, she has extremely quick reflexes, so how would Zaheer be able to surprise and eventually suffocate her? The only way I can see Zaheer taking this one is if he gets off a surprise suffocation in the beginning, just as the fight starts. Dabei wurden sie unterbrochen, als Korra, Mako, Bolin, Asami und Lin Beifong in der Stadt ankamen. EDIT: I stand corrected. Also, how does being in an open field make things worse? Back in Book 3 when Zaheer and Co infiltrated Zaofu, there was a short scene where Zaheer faced off against Kuvira and another guard. Toph has raw power, but Kuvira has more precision and is more efficient with her metal bending. He is also a powerful conventional martial artist and has the power to permanently block bending. That’s actually a good thing in this case. I just haven’t seem him use his abilities in a smart way. Log in or sign up in seconds. Another good point. Korra nearly beat Kuvira with the help of the Avatar State as well. The only thing coming to my mind is, that if they both started on the canon, she would try to bend multiple parts of the canon immediately after the gong in a way, that the parts would be grabbing him or something like that so he wouldn't be able to espace before she actually gets too close, and bend the shit out of him. 100% Upvoted. 19. 13,204 Pages. "Surprise suffocation" doesn't exist, and it requires a defenseless opponent, and Kuvira is anything but. All the airbenders had since been freed, but they felt helpless as Korra battled against Zaheer in the sky. Kya vs Zaheer in HD! I’d give Zaheer the W 9/10 just because there’s not really much you can do against it. Ozai vs Kuvira vs Zaheer. View Entire Discussion (0 Comments) Mor share. The number one place on the internet to discuss fantasy battles between characters from the universe of Avatar: The Last Airbender and Avatar: The Legend of Korra! share. Wouldn’t Zaheer just mop the floor with Kuvira again? When he fought Tenzin, he never adapted. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, More posts from the AvatarVsBattles community. OP has decided to use the SERIOUS DEBATE FLAIR. Also, don’t forget Kuvira is a dancer in Suyin’s live action plays. Zaheer doesn't really have big finishing moves either, but I think that he'll be able to hit Kuvira … Ozai vs Kuvira vs Zaheer. I will post a bigger analysis later on, but honestly outside of Zaheer getting very lucky are there not too many possibilities for this Zaheer if Kuvira don't acts completly idiotic. I didn’t think to talk about stamina/endurance and durability. u/JadedGenerationYDude THANKS for giving me the idea for the first battle of this new sub! Mehrere Tage später begleitete Kuvira Suyin und das Team Avatar zu einem Dach, von wo aus sie sich von Opal verabschiede… Sort by. Zaheer has gotten hit waayyy more times than Kuvira has and I can only remember him dodging literally 3 times: once when Mako shot fire at him from behind bars, once when he jumped over Tenzin, and once when Kya fucked herself. In this fight, Kuvira gets to keep her counters to Zaheer's moves, but Zaheer doesn't have all the counters he previously had against Kuvira. Kuvira will just stick to her regular game. BringIt Hell's favorite. At one point in the battle, Kuvira just gains too many advantages for Zaheer to win regularly. But Reddit is an English-based website, so you won't find much China/Korea sympathy here even if the series is essentially where Asian culture is central. I’ll have to go rewatch her fights to confirm whether this is true or not. That’s just my viewpoint though. Kuvira is a master Earthbender though (and maybe even Toph level or slightly above) so I don’t think it’s in the impossible spectrum for her. So I'd say the question is, can Kuvira somehow defeat Zaheer before the fight takes too long? Subscribe and like the video please :DSuscribanse y denle manita arriba al video porfavor :D Although they knew that Kuvira would be their “big bad” during the next season, her showings in Book 3 do her no justice. Kuvira is a way better bender than Zaheer, but air is relatively good suited to counter metalbending, earthbending would just help to a limited degree, but Kuvira can rather easy counter Zaheer's attacks. Although he cant fly. But so is Bumi - and he's a powerhouse of an earthbender. Sort by. In reality, this fight becomes a tie. She is basicaly better in offensive bending, which is the important factor, however he specializes in dodging, which is a great way to exhaust someone. CM vs Gaang all three times, P'li vs Lin, Suyin, Kuvira, and guards, Katara vs Azula, Korra vs Kuvira R2, and Kya vs Zaheer. Sure thing! On that note, I’d have to give it to Kuvira. This is actually something Kuvira has been shown able to do, multiple times really. Both will constantly be on their toes. Kuvira's precise motions contrasted with Korra's aggressive assaults, and it was mesmerizing to watch. Whereas Kuvira seemed more selfishly motivated by her own psychology and desire for power Zaheer's beliefs were grounded in a thought-out system that is, at least, somewhat justifiable. Airbending prodigy, a notch or two below Tenzin's level, who is an s-tier airbender. In conclusion, I have Kuvira winning 8/10. So that makes the odds even worse. • Kuvira can use pieces of the cannon to attack like she did vs Su, but she can’t use the cannon to engulf Zaheer.
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